Rolling Rankings
Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:14 pm
Question:
Does the current ongoing ranking system fit the purpose for Premier?
My interpretation is:
No. I am currently ranked 1st in the 2012 K1M ranking. I will be ranked as the UK No.1 for all the major internationals, including Euros, World Cups, and the Olympics, but I'm not on the GBR Team, in fact I didn't even make GBR Senior Selection for 2012 (Top 11 paddlers) but I have been ranked No.1 since the Tully races. I could be hopping up and down infront of the BBC offering to give them my expert opinion, I am not suggesting I should be on the Team, the opposite, I am suggesting that we could perhaps display the ongoing rankings in a different way.
Suggestion:
A 1 year Rolling Ranking system.
How does it work:
In 2011 there were 9 prem races, that could be used to count towards your ranking at the end of 2011.
In 2012, after Prem race 1, the ranking of competitors would be calculated from 2011 (Prem races 2-9) and 2012 (Prem Race 1).
In 2012, after Prem race 2, the ranking of competitors would be calculated from 2011 (Prem races 3-9) and 2012 (Prem races 1-2). etc
[i.e. simply that a for each new race in 2012, we remove the next earliest race from the previous season]
After 9 races in 2012, the season is finished. Just as in the current ranking system, only the results from 2012 can count, and hence all national end of season Ranking awards can still be awarded, exactly as they are at the moment.
What does this look like:
Sadly I can not upload an excel spreadsheet, to this chatter feed, but I have calculated what the rankings would have been after Prem races, 1, then 2, then 3, etc, for this season. The obvious headlines are, I am ranked around 8th or 9th (not 1st), and all the obvious people are ahead of me. Campbell, is at the top of the rankings for the majority of the time, having 5 wins that count in the last 1 year (9race) period.
Looking further down the list, Injured members of Prem, who have not been able to paddle, this year, have a ranking based off the races at the end of last season, they appear in roughly the place you would expect for their ability before injury, they are not simply missing from the ranking lists.
New promotee's move up the list in a similar manner to how they would normally, as they get points from attending more races.
Possible Demotee's for the season, this is done at the end of the season, and so there is no change to how this is done.
Overall benefit:
The Ranking represents the ability of the paddlers in the division, paddlers who complete 5 races or more year on year, are always in the ranking, and will normally appear in the ranking very close to their relative ability.
Knock on benefit: The sport can easily sell itself to the media as non sport specific individuals can look at the ranking and correctly determine the ability of individuals in the sport. This helps with attaining sponsorship for individuals (Galasport currently offer sponsorship to the top 3 athletes from any national ranking system), ranking paddlers on an ongoing basis is actually a correct reflection, this is used at Junior Champs/Senior Champs/Panceltics/Interclubs.
Should anyone wish to see these spread sheets and what the rankings look like, I shall be happy to send the spread sheet as an email to you. my email: bob_the_builder_vasey@hotmail.com
If I get a some interest in this, (Agree/Disagree) I will ask Nick Penfold if he would be prepared to host this spreadsheet, or maintain a rolling ranking, for people to compare. I don't think it needs a rule change to display this, and once the rolling list is set up, it is exactly the same amount of work to update as the current online ranking system.
There may be a required rule change if this is to be implemented by the Premier Ranking List compilers long term, hence I am bringing it up now, so people can discuss before ACM proposals are put forward (but as I say there is no effect on the end of season ranking) only the ongoing interpretation.
Robin
Does the current ongoing ranking system fit the purpose for Premier?
My interpretation is:
No. I am currently ranked 1st in the 2012 K1M ranking. I will be ranked as the UK No.1 for all the major internationals, including Euros, World Cups, and the Olympics, but I'm not on the GBR Team, in fact I didn't even make GBR Senior Selection for 2012 (Top 11 paddlers) but I have been ranked No.1 since the Tully races. I could be hopping up and down infront of the BBC offering to give them my expert opinion, I am not suggesting I should be on the Team, the opposite, I am suggesting that we could perhaps display the ongoing rankings in a different way.
Suggestion:
A 1 year Rolling Ranking system.
How does it work:
In 2011 there were 9 prem races, that could be used to count towards your ranking at the end of 2011.
In 2012, after Prem race 1, the ranking of competitors would be calculated from 2011 (Prem races 2-9) and 2012 (Prem Race 1).
In 2012, after Prem race 2, the ranking of competitors would be calculated from 2011 (Prem races 3-9) and 2012 (Prem races 1-2). etc
[i.e. simply that a for each new race in 2012, we remove the next earliest race from the previous season]
After 9 races in 2012, the season is finished. Just as in the current ranking system, only the results from 2012 can count, and hence all national end of season Ranking awards can still be awarded, exactly as they are at the moment.
What does this look like:
Sadly I can not upload an excel spreadsheet, to this chatter feed, but I have calculated what the rankings would have been after Prem races, 1, then 2, then 3, etc, for this season. The obvious headlines are, I am ranked around 8th or 9th (not 1st), and all the obvious people are ahead of me. Campbell, is at the top of the rankings for the majority of the time, having 5 wins that count in the last 1 year (9race) period.
Looking further down the list, Injured members of Prem, who have not been able to paddle, this year, have a ranking based off the races at the end of last season, they appear in roughly the place you would expect for their ability before injury, they are not simply missing from the ranking lists.
New promotee's move up the list in a similar manner to how they would normally, as they get points from attending more races.
Possible Demotee's for the season, this is done at the end of the season, and so there is no change to how this is done.
Overall benefit:
The Ranking represents the ability of the paddlers in the division, paddlers who complete 5 races or more year on year, are always in the ranking, and will normally appear in the ranking very close to their relative ability.
Knock on benefit: The sport can easily sell itself to the media as non sport specific individuals can look at the ranking and correctly determine the ability of individuals in the sport. This helps with attaining sponsorship for individuals (Galasport currently offer sponsorship to the top 3 athletes from any national ranking system), ranking paddlers on an ongoing basis is actually a correct reflection, this is used at Junior Champs/Senior Champs/Panceltics/Interclubs.
Should anyone wish to see these spread sheets and what the rankings look like, I shall be happy to send the spread sheet as an email to you. my email: bob_the_builder_vasey@hotmail.com
If I get a some interest in this, (Agree/Disagree) I will ask Nick Penfold if he would be prepared to host this spreadsheet, or maintain a rolling ranking, for people to compare. I don't think it needs a rule change to display this, and once the rolling list is set up, it is exactly the same amount of work to update as the current online ranking system.
There may be a required rule change if this is to be implemented by the Premier Ranking List compilers long term, hence I am bringing it up now, so people can discuss before ACM proposals are put forward (but as I say there is no effect on the end of season ranking) only the ongoing interpretation.
Robin