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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:59 am
by davebrads
Dave Royle wrote:No mention of Arrowcraft boats
Flyte which had three seams I seem to recall.
I'm reasonably sure that the Flyte was a Pyranha design, Arrowcraft eventually modified it so that it could be made conventionally with two seams, but still few bought it.
I was only talking about this boat this weekend, I remember it being used on the graveyard by Melvyn(? can't remember his surname, not even sure if it was Melvyn) when Richard Fox was winning everything, and he beat Foxy by 2 seconds, but then said that he wouldn't be using it again as it was too unpredictable. To this day I don't understand the logic.
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:13 am
by andya
Spiderman wrote:Anyone up for a retro race at an event in whatever 4m they still have kicking around? 210 long Mitchwood or Kober wooden blades too? I think the main reason for them being so long was to be able to reach the surface from the height of the super bouyant kayaks! lol
PP
Wow, thanks for all the info guys. Wifee was hogging the laptop last night, so I'll try to make sense of all the input, and update the list tonight.
As for your idea Spiderman .. Retro slalom I'm up for it! Got a Electra81 and 210 cm Gees with wooden tips raring to go. Would have to be on a more modest course, as the boat (and paddler) are a lot more pourous and "floppy" than it used to be. Don't think I'd get it down HPP or Ty in one piece ...
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:27 pm
by Canadian Paddler
[ADVERT] If there is interest, we can have a special 'old rules' class at the Proteus Winter Slalom on 8th November, a one day fun event, informal, and not too hard a course[/advert]
Interested?
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:00 pm
by andya
jjayes wrote:In 1975 Prijon came up with the Perfekt, made in the UK by Gaybo, it was probably the biggest jump forward in slalom boat design ever. It was basically a 3.5 meter boat with very big spikes. Unfortunately people were hurt by it,
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A good add on subject would be to work out what boats descended for what. I know of only two designs that have not come directly come from a previous boats.
Wasn't the really pointy one the Meister80? Long time ago now!
Remember sitting at the top of the eddy at Hambledon (we may have been sharing it Jim), in fear as a one of those spikes came off the top wave sideways at me at speed ... the spike went over the front deck rather than through my legs ...
The evolution of boats would be a grrrrreat subject Jim (if you can get away without libel...), would love to hear about that ... start the post!
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@ the Krakatoa comments, yep I remember the first Cosmic I got into and we couldn't believe how low it was. Was it the "Cosmic Interceptor?" or was there and earlier Cosmic between that and the Atomic/Stilleto.
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Lastly I think I've fully updated the first post. Hope I got it right, please tell me if not!
Still lots of gaps and in particular a LOT of dates missing. Do you remember?
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:40 pm
by carboncraft
The realy pointy one was the Perfekt, i had one and if i used it on the swimming pool (as i did) i had to put a ball on each end to just in case, it was like a polo boat with points on, i sware Gaybo cut the points off rounded theneds amd made it into a polo boat, one of the local teams had a set
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:12 am
by jhall
I think this is right:
Gaybo
Reflector came out in 79
Dominator in 80
Dominator 81 in 81
Dominator 82 in 82
Dominator 84 in 84
Lettmann Plus in 1980/81
another in 83/84
C2
Synchron 1980/81
Duo 1982
C1
Supermax 1978?
Cudamax 1981
Batmax 1983
note: It took the C1 designs about a year to become available in the uk
Pyranna
Elite Equipe
Equipe SL, SM, SH, CL, CM, CH, Mini Equipe and Equipe SLK
C1 Storm and C2 Thunder
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:11 am
by andya
Many thanks for the info .. I've included it all in the first post along with a large number of updates from others.
As always if you remember anything more (especially dates), please post it up!
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:39 pm
by oldandslow
I paddled a Pyrhana Silver Shadow in the early 80's. I loved that boat! Then I had an Equipe which is still on the circuit somewhere.
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:40 am
by Spiderman
Dave, I think the Melvyn you are referring to would have been Melvyn Swallow. He was one of the few who would snatch the lead whenever Richard failed to nail the course.
CP, Would you find judges who could get their heads around the old points system? lol. I doubt you would go so far as to change the pole colours mate! But it would be pretty good to see a selection of vintage boats (and paddlers!) on the water 
It would be a bit like a vintage car gathering! With all the talk of floppy boats and suchlike, the winner may be the one who does not sink! lol. I didnt realise the winter season started so soon.....I would be up for bringing an old boat or two. Count me in for now and if you get enough "takers" for the idea, I will be there to paddle both old and new (same old engine in both though! lol)
PP
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:19 am
by frontman2
Pyrahna Meran K1 circa 1984 'ish. A Prem 2 for small people. Great boat.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:03 pm
by oldschool
I saw a Virago at sowerby bridge the other day! It and the Kick we made by Technique!
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:57 pm
by Dave Royle
More likely to have been Melvyn Jones. Richard, Melvyn and Andy Gladwin (Spike) trained together at Stone at the time.
Melvyn Swallow was a River Racer from Chester, I think.
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:32 pm
by davebrads
It was Melvyn Jones. But Melvyn Swallow did race at quite a high level in Slalom as well as the top in WWR.
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:34 am
by Spiderman
Dave R...you just ain't old enough mate! lol
PP
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:42 am
by RussJohnson
Ive noticed a manufacturer missing off the list, but i cant remember the name of the boats they made.
Radical Moves. it was the first slalom boat i paddled.